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rlaranjo escreveu:Mecânica Opel e design PSA =

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rlaranjo escreveu:Mecânica Opel e design PSA =

pra mi seria justamente o contrário.

PSA tem conjuntos mecânicos melhores que a Opel.
E a Opel não erra em design.

luiz jorge escreveu:As plataformas serão francesas. Já está oficialmente confirmado.

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Em uma tentativa de levantar capital muito necessário, a Opel vai vender seis de suas instalações na Europa para a sua empresa-mãe, a General Motors, por um valor dito para manter a montadora alemã à tona, pelo menos nos próximos anos.

GM detém a Opel ea Opel possui produção e engenharia de instalações espalhadas por toda a Europa, mas o que detém a Opel não pertence diretamente à GM. Opel é operado como uma empresa independente, e não como uma divisão como a Chevrolet é a Buick. Como resultado, a marca alemã é, essencialmente, o mestre de seu próprio domínio, embora a GM depende muito do que para a engenharia de produto e desenvolvimento global.

GM vai agora assumir o controle completo de uma fábrica de motores na Hungria, uma fábrica na Polônia que constrói o Opel Astra (hatchback uma intimamente relacionada com o Buick Verano) e um centro de desenvolvimento na Itália, bem como três outras facilidades sem nome.

Os termos do acordo não foram anunciados, mas jornal alemão Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung informa que a infusão de dinheiro em contas bancárias da Opel deve manter a montadora deficitária operacional até 2016. A Opel tem um empréstimo pendente da GM que é devido até o final de 2014, no entanto.

Desde o seu mercado de carros novo primário é a Europa sitiada, a Opel não tenha sido isolado de problemas econômicos da Europa, bem como Volkswagen rival alemão.

Not exactly sure how using only PSA-derived platforms for joint projects fits with the original idea of the alliance. I thought they were supposed to co-develop them together. Unless PSA will exclusively use O/V's D-segment, crossover, and C-segment platforms, I can't see how this would work and not impact morale in Russelheim.

As a side note, for all the denial that there would be some sort of a merger between PSA and O/V, this seems to suggest that if it were happen at some point, the already integrated platforms would make the job that much easier.

In addition, I'd like to see how the rest of GM's outfits work into this arrangement, if at all. GM has been on the mantra of saving money by sharing platforms, engines, etc. Opel was/is a center of excellence for many of GM's products. If O/V is going to use French platforms for a slate of future products, does that mean that the rest of GM will use them as well or that GM will have to develop future resources without O/V's input? Also, unles something is reciprocated and PSA uses some O/V's platforms exclusively, it's going to be tough for GM to stick to their promise of producing some Chevrolet products in Opel factories to make up for excess capacity.

It seams like a reduction in Opel's engineering department but keeping most of Opel's Manufacturing. The plants sold to GM will build Chevy's and parts.

The current Opel/Vauxhall Meriva uses the GM/Fiat SCCS platform so they're just moving from one manufacturing alliance to another.

Moving the Opel/Vauxhall Zafira away from a GM platform, Delta II shared with Buick, Cadillac and Chevrolet, does seem strange and begs the question whether Astra etc will also be moved onto a PSA platform.

Will the Epsilon II be the only GM platform in Europe or will the Insignia be put on a PSA platform as well?

So GM will adopt Peugeot-Citroen platform for their compact vehicles, in addition to replacing the current Fiat-based Gamma/SCCS platform with the Peugeot 208 platform (Gamma III). This is a bit surprising, but ultimately it seems to be a right move.


First of all, PSA has just introduced a lightweight modular platform they call EMP2 (Efficient Modular Platform). This platform will offer several very obvious improvements:

Can accomodate 3-door/coupe, 5-door hatchback, 4-door sallon, MPV, and CUV/SUV body styles
A choice of multi-link independent or twisted beam rear suspension
A choice of low- or high-riding (CUV/MPV) positions
A choice of short or long (MPV/CUV/D-class) wheelbase
70 kg lighter than the current Peugeot/Citroen models by using very high strength steel, aluminium, composite materials

Combine this with GM/Opel technologies like HiPerStrut, FlexRide; a broad range of engines such as Small Diesel Engine (aka MultiJet), Medium Diesel Engine, Family B diesel engine, Family Z diesel engine, Small Gasoline Engine, Medium Gasoline Engine, 3rd-gen Family II engines; newest developments like aluminum welding, NanoSteel and magnesium sheet metal - and this could easily overshadow Volkswagen's MQB platform in terms of innovations.

Also, the new Peugeot 308 and the current Citroen DS4 are quite similar to the current Opel Astra 5-door, so I definitely see a new Astra 5-door, sedan and GTC coming out of it - and what's important, it should weight 150-200 kg less than the current Astra!



However, by their current plans it looks like the Zafira MPV will adopt the EMP2 platform (and will produced by PSA for GM), but the Opel Astra and the Chevrolet Cruze will probably continue on the Delta II platform until 2020, as the revised versions are already on track for a 2014-2015 launch - so it remains to be seen if GM would adopt EMP2 as a replacement for the global Delta III platform and Theta platform after that...

Updated schedule:

GM platforms
Epsilon II : 2015 Opel Insignia, 2017 Chevrolet Malibu;
Delta II?? : 2015 Opel Astra, Chevrolet Cruze;
PSA platforms
Delta III??? / EMP2: 2013 Peugeot 308; 2015 Citroen DS4, Peugeot 3008, 4008, 5008, Citroen C4 Picasso, Peugeot 508; 2017 Opel Zafira, Chevrolet Orlando???, Citroen C5, DS5; 2020 Opel Astra???, Chevrolet Cruze???
Gamma III / 208 : 2016 Opel Meriva, Citroen C3, C3 Picasso, DS3; 2017 Opel Corsa, Chevrolet Aveo; 2018 Peugeot 208, Opel Mokka, Chevrolet Trax
Gamma III / 208 low-cost: 2016 Chevrolet Cobalt, Onix, Peugeot 201 (207i/206+), Citroen C2; 2018 Peugeot 301, Citroen C-Elysée

They will also develop PSA's new small displacement EB engine.

For all reasons that's practically only a few steps short of a complete merger between PSA and GM, and quite similar to Renault/Nissan/Lada alliance...

Weddly escreveu:A estratégia é tornar a Opel "premium".
O que eu acho que vai dar merda.
Vai perder muita participação e a margem de lucro não vai compensar.